Four Fs Podcast
Welcome to the official Four Fs podcast. Hosted by Jeff Cluff, each episode dives into authentic conversations with remarkable people across technology, business, and everyday life. Everyone has a story. This is the place they come to share it.
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Nov. 17, 2025
Overcoming Failure in Entrepreneurship: Surex.com Co-Founder Matt Als…
What does it take to revolutionize an entire industry while staying true to your roots? Join host Jeff Cluff in this captivating episode of the Four Fs Podcast as he engages in an authentic conversation with Matt Alston, a dy...
Recent Episodes
Feb. 26, 2026
We are all going to die anyway. NDEs, Survival School, Secret Missions & Facing Death. With Don Winner
Don Winner is a former Military Intelligence Officer, Investigative Journalist for 48 Hours, Dateline, Nightline, Discovery Channel, the BBC and more. He's solved countless murders, studied thousands of NDEs (Near Death Exper...
Feb. 19, 2026
Scaling Human Knowledge: AI, Systems Theory, and the Future of Learning with Alverita AI CEO Laudon Williams
Stop chasing the "next big thing" and start mastering the systems that actually run the world. Join us as tech veteran Laudon Williams reveals how to measure organizational complexity and scale human expertise using AI. In th...
Feb. 12, 2026
Bev McCoy: From Mammoth Mountain to Montana Rancher
What does it take to walk away from security, status, and legacy — and start over again and again? In this bonus episode of the Four Fs Podcast, Bev McCoy shares her extraordinary journey from working in corporate law in Los ...
Feb. 5, 2026
From Monastery to Microsoft: A Tech Leader’s Journey from India to Silicon Valley
In this episode, Jeff sits down with Aparna Natarajan , a technology leader whose journey spans spiritual education in India, career risk-taking, burnout, meditation, and leadership in big tech . Raised in a spiritually roote...
Jan. 29, 2026
How to Master the Law: AI, Due Diligence, and the Future of Trust with Eric Vogeler
Is the legal profession ready for the AI revolution? In this episode, we sit down with Eric Vogeler , a seasoned attorney and entrepreneur, to pull back the curtain on how high-stakes legal deals actually work. From using Cha...
Jan. 22, 2026
Leadership Under Pressure: Armaments Research Company CEO Mike Canty on Military Training, Entrepreneurship & Innovation
Short Description: In this episode, former D1 Basketball Player and West Point Graduate Mike Canty shares his journey from West Point and Army service to becoming the founder of ARC, breaking down how military leadership, dis...
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