Episodes

Don Winner is a former Military Intelligence Officer, Investigative Journalist for 48 Hours, Dateline, Nightline, Discovery Channel, the BBC and more. He's solved countless murders, studied thousands of NDEs (Near Death Exper...

Stop chasing the "next big thing" and start mastering the systems that actually run the world. Join us as tech veteran Laudon Williams reveals how to measure organizational complexity and scale human expertise using AI. In th...

What does it take to walk away from security, status, and legacy — and start over again and again? In this bonus episode of the Four Fs Podcast, Bev McCoy shares her extraordinary journey from working in corporate law in Los ...

In this episode, Jeff sits down with Aparna Natarajan , a technology leader whose journey spans spiritual education in India, career risk-taking, burnout, meditation, and leadership in big tech . Raised in a spiritually roote...

Is the legal profession ready for the AI revolution? In this episode, we sit down with Eric Vogeler , a seasoned attorney and entrepreneur, to pull back the curtain on how high-stakes legal deals actually work. From using Cha...

Short Description: In this episode, former D1 Basketball Player and West Point Graduate Mike Canty shares his journey from West Point and Army service to becoming the founder of ARC, breaking down how military leadership, dis...

In this episode, Lorin Jeppsen shares an unfiltered conversation about identity, leadership, discipline, and what it really means to live authentically. From being adopted and growing up in Utah, to flying B-52s in the U.S. A...

In this deeply honest and wide-ranging conversation, Jeff sits down with Joshua Kahn to explore identity, trauma, purpose, and what it really means to grow when life refuses to follow a straight line. Joshua’s story is shaped...

In this conversation, CEO and Founder (Snow Magazine, Snow Tequila, and The Snow Society) Barb Sanders shares her journey from aspiring ski instructor to successful entrepreneur, highlighting her passion for skiing and the co...

In this episode, Jeff sits down with Desai Link to explore an unconventional career journey— how he walked away from a career in law to work in a warehouse driving a forklift. From studying law and history to working fly-in f...

From a $1.25 subway arrest in New York City to graduating from the Wharton Business School at the University of Pennsylvania, Himani Naresh’s story is a masterclass in resilience, reinvention, and navigating life across cultu...

In this powerful episode of the Four Fs Podcast, filmmaker and storyteller Elijah Donnelly shares an extraordinary journey shaped by resilience, reinvention, and the courage to start over when life doesn’t go as planned. Rais...

Join Linda Grizely, CFP® and financial educator, as she shares practical strategies to transform your relationship with money. From her journey into personal finance to her signature “Me Money” method and permission‑based bud...

Senior VP at Truist Bank Michelle Foley (Truist Cloud Center of Excellence) joins the Four Fs Podcast for an Authentic Conversation about career pivots (pre‑med → IT → 18 years at Microsoft), frontline support and incident re...

What happens when a near-death experience reshapes your perspective on leadership and life? Join us in this riveting episode of the Four Fs Podcast as host Jeff engages in an authentic conversation with Rich Kaplan, a former ...

Have you ever wondered how the art of negotiation can transform your career and personal life? Join host Jeff Cluff on the latest episode of the Four Fs Podcast , where he engages in an authentic conversation with Professor S...

What does it take to revolutionize an entire industry while staying true to your roots? Join host Jeff Cluff in this captivating episode of the Four Fs Podcast as he engages in an authentic conversation with Matt Alston, a dy...

What do broken surfboards, cattle ranches, and spreadsheets have in common? For David Porter, a senior executive at ServiceNow and former U.S. Army Ranger, they each taught him something essential about resilience, decision-m...

What does it take to reinvent yourself six times—and still lead with purpose?In this episode, Jeff sits down with Gina Tesla, a global tech executive and social impact leader whose journey has taken her from Queens to the Pea...

Have you ever wondered what it takes to transform curiosity into a thriving career in entrepreneurship? Join us on this captivating episode of the Four Fs Podcast as host Jeff sits down with Kevin Schreck, the visionary co-fo...

How is the economy being reshaped by the dual forces of AI technology and shifting educational priorities? Join host Jeff Cluff as he engages in an authentic conversation with Dr. Gordon Bodnar, a renowned expert in internati...

What does it take to transform from a Texas tennis player into a tech trailblazer in the world of cybersecurity? Join host Jeff Cluff on the Four Fs Podcast as he dives deep into an authentic conversation with Andreae Pohlman...

In this episode, Jeff is joined by Mike Owen—a former Microsoft engineer whose 18+ year tech career started in a unionized grocery store and ended with an unexpectedly powerful final act. Mike shares how he rebounded from a r...

Worms, Y2K, and Wine Cellars. How Chris Walker helped Solve for some of the most prolific Internet Worms in history is much more than BASIC. From Dartmouth’s BASIC revolution to Microsoft’s Y2K firefight, Chris Walker helped ...